Toivonen traded
Toivonen is a St-Louis Blues...
Latrappe's take: This organisation will never learn. They give up on Boyes, Jurcina and Toivonen in less then 12 months. So far, Chiarelli bullshitted us with PR speech like : " it's important to develop our young players " etc etc. Carl Soderberg is the return for that trade. Soderberg suffered from a major eye injury and this trade could be a costly one for the B's.
Latrappe's take: This organisation will never learn. They give up on Boyes, Jurcina and Toivonen in less then 12 months. So far, Chiarelli bullshitted us with PR speech like : " it's important to develop our young players " etc etc. Carl Soderberg is the return for that trade. Soderberg suffered from a major eye injury and this trade could be a costly one for the B's.
posted by Latrappe at 4:39 PM
36 Comments:
good 2 c toivo gone,soderberg is a good young player with lotta upswing,can't expect 2 much for toivo. after all he was a sieve in net! so good trade for youth.
We lost the human hole and gained more cap space big deal he's gone. Lots of teams trade away young still developing players for nothing and it comes back to bite them but because we're Bruins fans we're supposed to hate every move thay make. Toivonen was a MOC draftee and Chia saw somthing he didn't like it's his team now so0 it's up to him which rookies stay and which go.
Chiarelli saw something he didn't like in Boyes, Jurcina and, now, Toivonen. How many good young players will be dealt before this clueless clown understand that you build a winning team by developping young players?
What is PC thinking? Terrible move.
I have lost ALL confidence in Chia. He's nothing but a JJ stooge. His lack of knowlegde in hockey proves it!!!!
All we got for a very good goalie prospect was a "bag of pucks" who will never see the NHL!!!!
PC never was a GM in Ottawa, I see why, this is terrible
TRADE CHIARELLI
pc must take stupid pills
chiarelli will be fired
before 2007-08 season ends
Soderberg could prove to be a very good acquisition. Lets see how he plays in North America before rushing to judgement. His numbers in Swedens top league were very good. He has good size and can play wing. in 5 years we could have these line combos
Soderberg Bergeron Kessel
Lucic Krecji Hamill
Walter Thompson Karsums
Stuart Lashoff
Alberts Wideman
Rask
Regan
I like and don't like this deal, but think about it, its not as if Toivonen was going to play in the NHL anytime soon. We have Fernandez and Thomas. Sure he might become really good in a few years but in the future it won't be Toivonen in nets, it will be Rask.
At this rate I do not think we will ever see the Bruins have those line combos the way they have been dumping prospects. Seriously this move makes no sense. Why not keep Toivo and at least package him with someone else to try to get a top 6 forward or a strong defensemen. There are plenty of teams who need a good back up keeper (I think the Sharks are one). But instead of doing that they trade him for an injured prospect? I don't know much about Soderberg or how good of a player he is. All I know about him is that because of his eye injury he will not be playing hockey again until after Christmas.
What is wrong with you people? Give me a break please! What did you expect to get for Toivonen? No team would've been willing to deal a #1 defenseman for a guy who couldn't crack the starting line-up last year! As far as packaging him with (insert name here) we always tend to think our guys can bring more than any GM is willing to give! Not to mention, if Rask (the true future of goaltending in this town) is scheduled to get a majority of thegames in Providence, Fernandez scheduled to see a majority of games with the big club, where does that leave Toivonen? I say you're lucky you got anything of value for him AT ALL.
Bad trade. U never trade a young goalie yet. They should of traded Thomas instead. Not a good trade. hannu had promise and should of waited longer. i liked hannu, he played well at end of year. this one might haunt us down the line.
Bobcat brings up a good point. Toivonen had no place on this team as soon as Fernandez came in. Thomas is now probably one of the best backups in the league and the B's finally have legit goaltending for the first time in years.
Toivonen was expendable, although I think/wish they could have gotten something a bit more in return. The one thing that concerns me now is that there seems to be a logjam of forwards now on this team. Where does everyone go?
Savard,Murray, Bergeron, Sturm, Kessel, Bochenski, Shaefer, Axelson, Thornton, Reich, Kobasew, Chistov, Mowers, Allen...
I realize some of these guys have 2-way contracts but there certainly doesn't seem to be enough room.
So let me get this straight. A few years ago, we didn't need Byron Dafoe because we were so confident in Andrew Raycroft and Hannu Toivonen as our duos. When Raycroft held out, MOC came out and said he's so confident in Hannu, he doesn't really care if the calder trophy winner signs or not. As insurance, he digs up and old bone in Tim Thomas. Raycroft feels overconfident, slips in his performance and Hannu shines as he comes out of the shadows. The hockey analysts say wow, TSN has him rated as a franchise goalie. Breaks his ankle and we turn to Thomas. Thomas - with absolutely nothing to lose - flops and flies and laughs it up. At the end of his career, thinking to enjoy the ride. Raycroft says he doesn't want to be #3, so Sully plays Thomas all the way, thus shattering any confidence rebuilding that Raycroft may have had. In the off season, Raycroft is traded for another savior - Rask. Oh look at Rask, he's the real deal. Much like Toivonen was touted as the real deal. Now, we pay big bucks for another team's reject in Fernandez, highly paid, slightly underachieved, older goaltender - and we give (yes we gave) our once highly touted goalie Hannu Toivonen away, so he can shine and win great accolades. As far back as I can remember - Billy Ranford can't win a cup, trade him for Andy Moog. Ranford wins the cup against the B's. Let's go get John Casey, just made it to the cup finals, can't get anywhere. Let's bring him up, Blaine Lacher. When he slips, we burry him instead of trying to build his confidence. Let's go for talent - case in point, Vezina trophy winner Jon Casey. Get him some help in Felix Potvin. What no good? Let me get Byron Dafoe - who? Good, solid, but not great. Wins games but doesn't win THE game. Dafoe gone where do we go? Hey we got this young kid in Andrew Raycroft - and well, you know the rest. All goalies are just as good as the 5 guys playing in front of him. And confidence is very important. Instead of waiting for this team's D to get better, Toivonen to regain his confidence, raise his stock price, dump a 33 year old flop backup in Tim Thomas or a highly paid Fernandez (can't really say much haven't seen him much) - we try the patch work. What comes next? Chiarelli is gone and the next GM will take one year or two to fiddle around with the roster to tweak it right. Imagine the ducks trading Giguere after his poor season? Patience...it's called Bruins. My patience is runnign out.
What is wrong with this site? You people have absolutely 0 common sense. Oh well. Carry on.
Good job, Big-E. You just explain why the B's have no championship since 1972...
I can't believe all the negative comments on this board about the Bruins.
I think you guys would cut up Chiarelli even if he had traded Hannu to the Devils for Brodeur.
I can just see the comments now..."Brodeur's too old..".."he's washed up.." " he hasn't won a cup since 2003" and so on and so on.
Some people on this board write as if Boyes and Hannu are hall of famers....give it a rest!!!!!!!!!
I think before we go and criticize all of the moves that have been made, lets wait until the season starts and see what happens. We will not have the best season, but we will compete for the final playoff spot. We have quite an interesting mix of players, I want to see what they're capable of. I admit, I am frustrated with the B's performance as well, and I am not completely over the Thornton trade yet, but I think we should just wait and see what happens. It's not like the B's are touted to win the stanley cup this year anyway.
CHIARELLI IS A PUUPET!!
a puttet lol
WE all have to wait and see how the bruins do in 2007-08.
The Boston Herald sheds some more light on the trade. It looks like Chiarelli may have been slightly more on the ball than he was originally credited for (especially by me). Here is the site http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/bruinsInsider/
Personally, I'd have held Toivo until we were in-season. Let him get plenty of rest, split time in Providence with Rask. He'd kick ass, and then be worth a little more. I still think he could be packaged. I hear very good things about Soderberg's skills, but he seems unwilling to cooperate with the system (going back to Sweden rather than AHL) and I worry if he can ever have great vision on the ice after his eye injury. This was a risk for both teams, and if there is one team we might be able to out-gamble it would have to be the blues.
Lay off on Chiarelli ! What was he supposed to get for Hannu " oh, was I supposed to stop that." Toivonen. Toivonen played his way off the team. I don't mind having prospects, but they have to have talent. Toivonen gave Chiarelli no bargaining power for a deal, he sucked !!
Big-E, that was brilliant!! Trading Toivonen was a bad move, period! He was the future, not Rask. Rask just turned 20yo. How many goalies at that age are number one goalies? Goalies take years to develope. My crystal ball says Rask is traded after the 2009-2010 season.
“I’m not sure what I’m going to do,” said Chiarelli. “I haven’t spoken with him yet. But if he does go back to Europe, that’s something both sides will have agreed on. And if he goes to Providence, that’s also something both sides will have agreed upon.”
Chiarelli look more and more like an idiot...
I think we need to give this kid a taste of the NHL. Throw him into the fire and let him either prove us all wrong, or it will show him that he needs time in the AHL to ge accustomed to the North American style game. A stiff slap in the face will do this kid a little good. If he is ever going to get out in the real world NHL, he needs to leave Malmo, Sweden.
Toivenen sucks none of you guys no what you're talking about...he's always dropping down in a split and giving up the weak goals..Why again would we need Toiv when we have Fernandez, Thomas, and Raask???
The B's are lucky they got anything for Toivonon after the crappy season he had last year. They have plenty of goalies now and did not need another. This team is better than it was last year on all fronts. Be patient.
be patient the BRUINS have not won the cup in
35 years.
PC should of bring back
JASON ALLISON. he was always a fan favorite here.
New GM = rebuilding process. Anyone who thought the Bs would win anything after just 1 yr with a new GM is smoking crack. It will take at least 3-4 yrs of pain and I know they should be better this year. You have to see how this all shakes out.
agreed. Chia has made some solid moves, and we have some young talent that should mature by the time our young leaders are veterans. We need to stay on the right track, make the playoffs, and turn around the attitude of this team. That will go a long way.
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