Rumours, Rumours, Rumours...
According to spector's web site; the B's are very hot on the phone and they are in the middle of some interesting rumours. I give you the ingretal text from Spector.
" Mick Colageo reports on the numerous trade rumours swirling about the Boston Bruins. He write GM Peter Chiarelli may be willing to part with goaltender Hannu Toivonen since acquiring highly-touted prospect Tuukka Rask from the Toronto Maple Leafs last summer. He also cites the UFA status of the "San Jose guys" (Brad Stuart, Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau) acquired in last year's Thornton trade, noting Stuart's wife is from California and Sturm has said he intends to test the market. Colageo dismissed the rumour of PJ Axelsson being shipped to Ottawa but suggests Chiarelli's connection with his former club could result in another Senator coming to Boston. He suggests Anaheim and San Jose could be potential trade partners for a goaltending upgrade for the B's, and closes by suggesting that unless " there's something else under the radar screen, the Bruins could be on the verge of a multi-player, multi-team trade that could involve some other names fans don't want to hear, like Brad Boyes and Milan Jurcina."
Latrappe's take: If and there's a big " IF ", here, a multi-team trade is on the verge; Murray will be a goner. But, in order for a team to swallow his contract, the trade partner(s) will probably ask for a good young player/prospect to sweetened the deal. That's probably the only way( trading Murray ) the B's will be able to get a premium goaltender.No surprise to learn that Stuart, Strum and Primeau are aviable since they will be UFA at the end of the season. I'm a little bit surprise to see Toivonnen's name on the list but it seems that he's highly regarded by many teams and he could the best wildcard for Chiarelli.
" Mick Colageo reports on the numerous trade rumours swirling about the Boston Bruins. He write GM Peter Chiarelli may be willing to part with goaltender Hannu Toivonen since acquiring highly-touted prospect Tuukka Rask from the Toronto Maple Leafs last summer. He also cites the UFA status of the "San Jose guys" (Brad Stuart, Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau) acquired in last year's Thornton trade, noting Stuart's wife is from California and Sturm has said he intends to test the market. Colageo dismissed the rumour of PJ Axelsson being shipped to Ottawa but suggests Chiarelli's connection with his former club could result in another Senator coming to Boston. He suggests Anaheim and San Jose could be potential trade partners for a goaltending upgrade for the B's, and closes by suggesting that unless " there's something else under the radar screen, the Bruins could be on the verge of a multi-player, multi-team trade that could involve some other names fans don't want to hear, like Brad Boyes and Milan Jurcina."
Latrappe's take: If and there's a big " IF ", here, a multi-team trade is on the verge; Murray will be a goner. But, in order for a team to swallow his contract, the trade partner(s) will probably ask for a good young player/prospect to sweetened the deal. That's probably the only way( trading Murray ) the B's will be able to get a premium goaltender.No surprise to learn that Stuart, Strum and Primeau are aviable since they will be UFA at the end of the season. I'm a little bit surprise to see Toivonnen's name on the list but it seems that he's highly regarded by many teams and he could the best wildcard for Chiarelli.
posted by Latrappe at 9:40 AM
17 Comments:
Once again latrappe assumes it's all about a goaltender, but that's just an assumption. I think it more likely, if a trade happens at all, that they would swap offensive talent in such a way that the Bruins end up with a more balanced attack.
Once again the Bruins are rich at center and weak at wing. So much so that they have two centers playing wing. So I'd expect to see the primary result to be a Bruins center traded for a winger, perhaps with a goaltender from Boston as a sweetner. It' so funny--eveybody says SJ has two No. 1 goalies, but buzz aside, some of us think the Bruins do too. So who's on the block then? I'll give you a hint: it's not Savard, Bergeron, or Kessel.
latrappe!!! the bruins, in my oppionion, are not in the market for a goaltender....goaltending has been the least of their problems.... you seem to be watching a different game- lets review....
problem one - lack of scoring from players 6-18 on roster.
problem 2 - lack of team d (coaching/gelling should solve in next dozen games)
problem 3 - poor defensive play and injuries of d-men 4-7.
problem 4 - too much pressure on players 1-6 to score because of
problem 1
problem 5 - awful power play
problem 6 - awful penalty killing
problem 7 - goaltending
neb
Jurcina would be a great person to trade. Boyes would not. But obviously you have to give up something to get something. I dont see PC acquiring a goalie but rather more offense.
Boyes should be off limits. He has probably played the best consistently this season. I wouldnt and im sure many others wouldnt complain if the likes of Mara,Stuart,Sturm,Jurcina,M. Stuart,Alberts,PJ(still hoping), Sastny,Mowers, Hoggan or Primeau got traded. They are all underachievers and nothing better than 4th liners and 5th-6th defensemen, with the exception of Mara and stuart being top 4 ds, and sturm being a 2nd liner. we have 2 4th lines with the exception of Donovan who IMO is the only one who can be considered a 3rd liner.
PC said Axelsson is not going to Ottawa. If he was smart he would trade him because obviously Ottawa is high on him. Get Vermette or Eaves in return and we got a steal. Pretty soon Ottawa will realize PJ doesn't bring much besides good PK skills - No shot, bad passing, overrated skating, and def should not be on any PP in the NHL
Anonymous #2, your points are good but Boston is on the market for Goaltending. Chiarelli said it on a Globe's paper ( he said that goaltending in 50 to 75% of the equation for success ) and there's lots of sources on various web site who reports that Boston make phone calls regarding goaltenders. That said, i agree that Goaltending is not the only problem and that's why a blockbuster trade could happend....
Chiarelli said goaltending was important. He didn't say they were shopping for goaltending. Two different things. You, latrappe, believe the Bruins have poor goaltending, so you make the jump in logic. But there is little indication that the Bruins management sees it the same way. In fact, in that same interview when prodded by the interviewer with goaltending and defense being his problem, he responded with something to the effect of, "and what about scoring?"
Run on a report on NHL.com for the goaltenders. Surprislingly, the Top goaltenders with GGA and save% play for a team who lead his division or nearly the top. Sometimes you have to read between the lines. When a GM says that goaltending is 50-75% of the equation. Like i said, i didn't said that scoring was not important. My point is that Thomas will never be a #1 goaltender. The B's need solid goaltending and buy time for the offense to Gelled. Even if the offense fill up opponent's net; how many time did you see a team win the big prize, whatever the sports, without a goaltender, pitcher or quarterback? Not much !
So what latrappe? The question isn't whether or not goaltending is important (gee, thankd for the Hockey lecture, by the way). The question is whether goaltending is the Bruins problem. He never said it was his big problem, In fact ge said it was just part of the problem. That's what he said. And you reported something different. That's not right.
If they can't score they can't win. Doesn't matter how good the goaltending is. How does scoring track for the top teams? Oh yeah--thought so. Our goaltending is fine. Give them a chance. Where were you last eason when these two guys single-handedly held a team up that couldn't score?
Last year hmmmmm.. Probably in that game where Thomas allowed a red line goal....
Latrappe come on. There is not one goalie in the league that has not let in a red line goal. Shit like that happens all the time. Thomas had wicked good stats last year.
If you look at his stats now they are getting better. The only reason his stats were bad is due to one game.
It might make you and everyone else feel better if you just admit you hate Thomas. Come on, let it out. Say, "I hate Thomas" Now doesn't that feel better?
I will say the opposite "I love Thomas!" At least I can admit it...
Last year we lost so many one goal games. We have one line that was it. If we had two lines with the same production, and the same goaltending, we couldve won 10 more games.
I think latrappe just doesn't like the fact that Thomas is not considered a star in the rest of the league. He's looking for external validation; it's all about what other people think.
I'll tell you what: last year my young kids watched how Timmy came from relative obscurity to turn people's heads and establish himself as a No. 1 goaltender. It was a remarkable and wonderful thing for them to see and he's a great role model for them. When I see Timmy smiling and yaking with the refs--I know he's goiing to have a great game. This is what Hockey is all about!
I don't give a f**ck what some dipstick columnist someplace across the county thinks when he sees Thomas's name on the roster. I know what I think, and what I think is, "this is why I love Hockey."
That's my opinion; if you want facts, his stats speak for themselves.
And one more thing: once Hannu gets back into his groove he'll be an excellent No. 1 goaltender this year too. The Bruins are, in fact, rich at the goaltending position and don't be surpised if one of these guys doesn't get traded for some offense. But you know what? I think even their offense will gel, given a little patience. I've said it before, you can't build a team by tinkering with it forever. If you have no patience you will get nothing but an underachieving revolving door.
Treebob, i swear that i don't dislike the guy. It's not personal but i don't understand why people see in this guy a legitimate #1 goaltender when all of his career proved the other way. My points is always the same regarding Thomas: Not enough consistency to make his team win on a regular bases. Thomas have no basic position, he' way too much on this ice and have the bad habits to play puck around the net and get his team in trouble with that. If Thomas had the same brillancy as a Marty Brodeur; i won't mind about those softies goals he can allow...
Yes, I HATE the way Thomas play. I won't feel better , doh , until we get a legitimate #1 and see Thomas on the bench more then on the ice.
" I think latrappe just doesn't like the fact that Thomas is not considered a star in the rest of the league ".
He's not considered at all, period. Thomas WILL NEVER BE a #1 goaltender in the NHL. You WILL NEVER WIN with a guy who cannot be consistent with his performances. Why do you think NJ won a stanley Cup with a 3 goals offense: Goaltending. Why the B's were ejected in 2003 in first round: Goaltending.And forgot about the "external " validation. This guy doesn't have the stuff to be a show stopper and that's it. His statistics showed that's no better then a backup. You say he's a #1; then compare his stats to Brodeur, Luongo, Kiprusoff and Co. Should i add that most of his statistics have been made in others leagues BUT the NHL....
No patience??? 30 years of mediocrity and some fans are still there !!! Fans are out of patience and that's why they don't fill the seats in the arena anymore.
"Why the B's were ejected in 2003 in first round: Goaltending."
(hysterical laughing)
Their goaltending was the least of their problems. The biggest reason they lost is that they let Montreal intimidate them. They acted like a bunch of lost kids who didn't belong in the playoffs. Hell, Thornton spent the whole time trying to be a "leader" and all he was able to accomplish was to take himself out of the game with stupid penalty after penalty. They got played by a lesser team. Goaltending was not even close to the reason they lost that series.
A great goaltender does not a great team make. He can only make a good team better or a very good team great (witness the Canes last year). He can also make a bad team good (witness our boys last year).
But at least you have now finally been honest about your feelings with regard to Thomas. Personally, I'm happy to see him wear the black and gold and I wish him all the best (like a defense that doesn't sell him out five times per game and expect him to bail them out).
Say what you will, but he did, after all, just steal a game for us.
"Why the B's were ejected in 2003 in first round: Goaltending."
(hysterical laughing)
Really??? Theodore didn't beat the B's by himself????
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